Shapeoko vs shark
We get lots of questions about how our Shapeoko 3 compares to the X-Carve from Inventables. Disclaimer: This is being written by Carbide 3D in early Shapeoko 3 and X-Carve share a common history. When Edward joined Carbide 3D, he brought the Shapeoko brand and the desire to make a break from the past and create a new, high-performance machine. At the same time, Inventables decided to refresh the Shapeoko 2 design to incorporate a number of design changes to reduce the parts count and rebrand it as the X-Carve.
From all appearances, the design changes were made to maximize backward compatibility with the Shapeoko 2. When someone looks at both machines, the rails are the first things that jump out as being different.
The X-Carve is based on Makerslide, which is a small aluminum extrusion made for generic linear motion. When we started on the Shapeoko 3, we knew from experience that a new extrusion would be required.
In the past year, Inventables upgraded the X rail to be 40mm x 40mm instead of 20mm x 40mm, presumably because they needed to reduce flex. The wall thickness was increased to 3mm. The Shapeoko extrusion is massive by comparison. Our rails are cut to length in our shop using a large machining center a Haas VF-4 to get both the length and the angle of the cut as perfect as reasonbly possible.
We found that we were never able to get the cuts square enough using any other method so we decided to eliminate the quality problems once and for all. Wherever we need more rigidity, we put a strategic bend or two in the metal. Wherever possible, we use press-in nuts to make the machine easier to assemble and to keep it from looking like an Erector Set. We have to get into a bit of speculation here. We assume that Inventables sources their linear motion hardware vee wheels and eccentric nuts from China since most companies do.
We did that at the beginning too. Our electronics are fully isolated so that there is no electrical connection between the USB port on the computer and the electronics in the machine. The shop is a hostile environment for electronics and we have done as much as possible to make our system reliable. The Shapeoko 3 uses dual Y motors so we put a second Y motor driver in our electronics from the start.
Inventables recently upgraded their electronics to add a second Y driver and add more robust drivers, which is a good change. We found that customers where having trouble with things like the V wheels and eccentric nuts. Those items are unique to this kind of motion system and not something that average people would come across.
We came to the conclusion that we should do as much assembly before shipping as possible. And we did it without increasing the price of the machine.
We had one of our guys in the shop, who spends his whole day building our Nomads, build both machines. The X-Carve took him around 10 hours to build and the Shapeoko 3 took him 3 hours. This is the most subjective part of the comparison. We can only share our point of view and we completely understand that others may come to a different conclusion.
Our goal is to create software that will be useful to you for a long time. Carbide Motion, our machine controller, gives you all of the power of more advanced systems without flooding you with every option, whether you need it or not. We do not believe in cloud-based software for CNC machine control.
You should be able to use the machine in the environment you want, without being subject to the state of our website. We worked with the lead developer of GRBL to get everything added into version 1. We were also the first company to reach an agreement with the lead developer of GRBL to pay to support the project for everyone. We believe in selling the machine with everything you need to get it running and to cut parts.ShapeOko 3 looks more robust with a lot of improvements compared to ShapeOko 2….
I have been studying both in detail and watching the forums. I chose the X Carve for many reasons. I am sure both machines will work fine, but my money is on X Carve and the Inventables team. I Build mdf speaker cabinets and the small workspace of the 3 was a major factor for me. Plus did anyone see them cutting mdf on Twitter the xcarve cuts mdf like a hot knife through butter.
Well done inventables. For me it is the openness of the controls and software. I also have to agree that Inventables offers top notch customer service! Worth more than the cost of the product. Your so right, sounds like even the forum moderators are still trying the assembly of Shapeoko3. Can you imagine the free- for - all mess they will have when a few hundred machines are out? No one even answers messages timely now at Carbide 3D.
I respect Ed Ford and his hard work, however the end game for Carbide 3D as a company has come up short. So glad I kept my money with inventables. The first long Shapeoko 3 XY extrusions have been received and a tentative schedule has been put forth in a forum post on the Shapeoko forums and noted on the Shapeoko wiki on the SO3 page.
Do you have any videos, or will you soon of the Shapeoko 3 in action from a customers build? I would love to see some. Just a thought you might pass on, a video tutorial assembly like Inventables has would go a long way to helping new CNC customers and old alike. Has anyone checked out the like 3 shapeoko 3 videos online? That thing seems crazy loud. Not that I care I already bought m. Thus far, the initial version of the instructions or earlier, just the exploded drawings has worked fine for assembly of the SO3 — the lower parts count helps that, and it being DFA designed for assembly.
Thanks for the link, looks good. Aaron We run the DeWalt on our mm shop machine. We use it virtually every day and is runs great.Privacy Terms.
Vectric Forum Forum for users of Vectric products Skip to content. This is new to me but I want to go forward with designing furniture and complex artful pieces. You folks are the pros. Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
If you've got the time and ability you can get a bigger machine by building it your self such as Joes CNC. What a nice day I haven't seen This one before! If you plan to do furniture you may need to do round or oval carved legs. That means an indexer. Shark does not have one and it may be years before they do. The open frame design is great for cutting vertical or angled end joinery with a little clever clamping. We use two of their 25 "x 49" capacity Meteors in the furniture design shop I teach in and I also have one myself.
Both I ordered with a center bar. I configured the bed so one half can be removed and the center bar can be clamped to. I made an angle jig that bolts into the t-slots of the frame for angled cuts. We heavily rely on them for furniture parts and joinery including dovetails, box joints, tenons, all at a right angle or at just about any other angle or compound angle. They also have a rotary axis you can add to them and their controllers now come ready to use it.
They will customize them any way you want. The second one we bought has 37" x 49" capacity and will have the rotary axis mounted permanently on one side. The bed is MDF so you need to decide how you want to fasten work down. I add t-tracks to the ones I oversee. You can leave the MDF on top of the frame, mount it inside the frame, or even mount it on the bottom of the frame for the most Z depth.
You'll need Aspire for 3D work unless you get a little clever with Vcarve. I really appreciate the help. This is a tough process being a hobby person and just wanting to make things for my family.
How much is too much to spend? If I'd had to justify the cost of my shop toys I wouldn't have half of them. A small CNC can do an extraordinary number of things though. From a simple hole your drill can't reach to giant 3D yard art done in slices.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. What size are you looking for? Would you be using for hobby or business? Could you put one together from a kit? Could you design and build your own? What kind of support do you need or can you do all support yourself?Privacy Terms.
Vectric Forum Forum for users of Vectric products Skip to content. Shark H4 vs Shopbot Desktop 17 posts 1 2 Next. I guess my main concern is the ability for the technicians to be able to help me if I have an issue.
Okay at teaching myself with good instructions- rather have written but okay with video tutorials. How easy it is to get help when you need it.New CNC in the shop, CNC Shark v Xcarve comparison Shop talk
On paper the Shark H4 looks perfect for me. They are patient, kind, and gentle on the phone. I've even had them call back after normal business hours. They have an excellent support forum. There are a lot of ShopBots out there so you may even find other ShopBot owners in your area. We bought our first one sight unseen Haven't had that many problems with our 2 Desktops, but have had callbacks on weekends and holidays as somebody in tech is always on call, and willing to walk you through stuff until the problem is solved just make sure your machine is on, and your phone is fully charged before calling: Forum is Excellent for solving problems on almost everything and can feel almost like family like this forum after a while Most Shopbotters are glad for a visit, and Shopbot Sales can connect you with someone for a demo if anyone is nearby.
If anywhere near Southern Maine, I'LL spend the day with you to run over basics If you post on Shopbot forum, maybe somebody is closer to you.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. What a nice day I haven't seen This one before! Initially I was happy, I got a machine, I was getting into the world of cnc carving. I was going to carve everything! Oh I was excited, but that excitement quickly faded.
X-Carve vs Shapeoko 3
I've been happy ever since! Simply put, I was disappointed with my Shark after finding out what it "should" be capable of with being limited or confronted with constant problems. If I make a mistake now, it's my fault, not the machines. In the near future I'm either going to convert the Shark to something useful, or just sell it.Here are some supplies and tools we find essential in our everyday work around the shop.
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Password: Lost Password? Remember me. Sponsored Content. Thread Modes. I'm trying to keep the purchase below 3K total budget. I looked for others but didn't take a close look at the Chinese machines. Here are the pro's and cons. SO3 is an open machine and can be modified. I was a little concerned about it using belts particularly on the Z-axis but found that someone has come up with a Ball-Screw Z-AXIS version that's available for reasonable money if I have issues.
It's cheaper and Carbide3d has better support than NextWave by far but it is a partial kit. It has limit switches that are missing on the Piranha. I wish they had an entire ball-screw version and I'd already have bought it.
I'm factoring buying Vectric Vcarve Desktop into the purchase so the software would be equivalent. The Piranha is not a kit and comes assembled love that. It's a closed system and you can't do much to it yourself kind of a turn-off. The Piranha has a free laser rebate going on now that would be extra on the SO3. There are reports of flexing in each unit but this seems likely in this class machine So I'm open for intelligent opinions.
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Site Suggestions Have a suggestion for the website or forum? Post it here. Site Problems See a problem on the website, wiki, or forum? Tell us here. Who is online In total there are 21 users online :: 3 registered, 0 hidden and 18 guests based on users active over the past 5 minutes Most users ever online was on Sun Aug 07, pm.Post by Gadgetman! Privacy Terms. Quick links. Very limited workspace. No easy way of upgrading No mention of accuracy or travel speeds. Also, it ships assembled!
What's the fun in that? Not to mention, what does that do for the shipping cost? Weird guy I am amazed that the 3D build height is only 3 inches. Not impressed at all. I have built a large 1m x 1m SO2, and I was able to make some nice stuff with it, but I rarely used the full bed, and I was tired of spending more time researching how to do stuff I knew nothing about any of the electrical or Arduino aspects, so that was a steep learning curve than I was spending cutting stuff.
I plan on buying the laser module and maybe the 3D printer module, but I doubt it. I may just wait til this fall and get the Mattel 3D Thingmaker link for "the kids" yeah right. I am probably going to get the Donek drag knife set link as well, because as cool as it is to DIY, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and buy something that does the job.
Anyway, once I get my Piranha up and running, I will post a review of sorts, comparing my DIY experience and steep learning curve to an out of the box solution but using some of that hard won knowledge to ease the pain. ShapeOko2, serial?? Wish I bought Piranha instead. I couldnt stand that the shark was all made of HDPE.
I also went and saw a shark HD3, but the spindle carriage had a lot of flex. My goal was tight tolerences, but i didnt need a big build area. Overall, im happy i went with the axiom.
Its been awesome aside from limited feed rate. I wouldnt expect it to cut over IPM. It was also near more after vcarve.